W-T-F!?!?!

[OntOs]

Ok, I've noticed something REALLY odd going on here...... :shock:

Is it me or are the large portion of Matrix Owners not getting Drops? :?: :!: :?:

I've seen like a couple of Drop forwards but none of them are really drops. In fact a LOT of the markers I see are using a small drop or just the ASA on the pistol grip. Any ideas? :?

[doby45]

Check the picture gallery, you will see plenty of drops. Drops are nothing but preference, some swear by them and some loath them, it is up to you and your game.

[OntOs]

LOLOL, Sup Doby?

I was just curious if anything...I've got a drop on mine and cant imagine playing without one :shock: I noticed at Mardi Gras this year that NYX/SC Ironmen didnt use Drops. Not that it changed their playing style, i just thought it was kinda odd....

[Spectre]

without a drop, the tank is higher and you can cradle it in your arm, or on your shoulder. Some people prefer that.
I like to play a little tighter, and opt for the longer drops

[OntOs]

Same here Spectre.

I very much prefer the tight,close in feel. With the tank hangin that far back you would think it would hinder the player when he/she got in tight behind a bunker. I recently played with a LCD TriX with just the ASA and a 68/45 tank and it bugged the fek outta me. I couldnt get in tight with any of the smaller bunkers. Although i found that i could snap shoot a little better with the tank slung over my arm.....still felt wierd though ;)

[House]

I've noticed this also. I have changed myself in the past year. I used to like way, and I mean way forwards. The back of the tank just under the bottom of the grip type of stuff. About mid year I switched to likeing it just about an inch back from the grip. Now I seem to like it about 3.5 inches back. I tryed useing it without a drop, but can't stand the feel. I do have to say that with it in its current postion I seem to be the most accureate. I have also found that my barrel length preference has switched. I used to use 14, then 12, and now either a 10 (most of the time) or a 12. Odd isn't. I allways wanted to be special and unique like everyone else 8)

Later

House

[sdramones]

I currently use a Long Shocktech drop, but the one thing that does bug me about it is that your wrist/forehand has to go around the tank. Without a drop your hand can get in closer. Its not much of a difference, only maybe an inch but a slight difference. But you can get even closer if you stick the No Drop setup really high on your shoulder and drop your arm/wrist straight down. But to me shooting that high just feels awkward.

[Scutty]

I now run with no drop forward purely in an attempt to get my wrist and elbow tighter in. Without the drop I can get my wrist infront of the bottle and therefore a lot tighter than around the bottle. The new Vert Frame helps as well, making the same wrist position a lot more comfortable.

[Minor Threat]

I used to run 'no drop' but when I got a matrix the 90ci tank was just to big, soon as i get back to a 68ci i'll be runnin a mini drop or none at all.

[snatchtrix]

I now run with no drop forward purely in an attempt to get my wrist and elbow tighter in. Without the drop I can get my wrist infront of the bottle and therefore a lot tighter than around the bottle. The new Vert Frame helps as well, making the same wrist position a lot more comfortable.
Nice plug :wink: But anyway I like a very small drop with a screw in tank. or no drop for a conquest just the rail is very nice.

[squ1ddy]

The big thing around here in the debate on drops is the height of the gun while playing in front positions in little bunkers, and also as others have said, keeping the wrist and elbow in tight.

I personally prefer no drop, but I play back, so a long gun does nothing to hinder my game.

[Macky]

I don't care what people say. Drops are gay!

I'm Done!

[AutocockerGuy]

Yes I also agree, drops are gay and need to beremoved from paintball all together!!

Long drops dont make you any tighter, You might think you are but, try layin down in a snake on ur belly and snap shooting while laying down. Aint gonna happen, if it does ur not gonna be fast. Also your gun is a shitload taller with a nice big drop on it.

Now if u use a CP, Twisted, Dye, Etc Micro drop with asa then ur pimp. Other than that drop em =D

WE all used drops back in the day. Shit I remember my Warped Sport Long as pos on my defiant =D

[Macky]

Ah sweet sound to my ears

Mark

[Bad Dave]

It surprises how many people in paintball do not think through their equipment choices, it is a really simple way to reduce getting shot!

Drops stick your elbow way out and are hard to play low down bunkers with, you need to look at your profile when you go head to head with someone: no drop considerably reduces this. If you play your barricade correctly a drop will give you no advantage, the only peeps I can see benefiting from a drop are small guys using a micro drop.

In conclusion drops are gay.

[Macky]

And as the good Gospel of the "Drops are gay" is growing I will end it before its prime with a simple statement

"We Know drops are gay. No futher need to justify and thanks for your support."

Mark

[BMJoker]

a drop is a tool used to compensate for your inability to properly play a bunker. you may think you are "tight" but you arent really. Drops are ghey!

[Spectre]

I use a drop...

Actually I switch back and forth. I have a Kapp DZ3, and sometimes I like my tank down and forward, and sometimes I move the cradle to it's just under the bottom of the frame and use it like that..

[Hawk]

Well this was all a lovely personal opinion thread about a handful of people that think that drop forwards are "gay". There was some useful information in there of why a drop might not be considered for a gun setup, but the rest- especially the statement of "drops are gay" is pure bogus.
For those of you that actually followed this thread this far, remember that how you setup your gun is mostly based on your personal preference and comfort. there is a small amount of technical aspects to it, but if you like how something feels and it doesn't hinder your game or cause you to get shot, then use it and to hell with everyone else.

And for those that want to know, I use a drop- a CP flame to be precise- and I love the way it holds my tank for me to put the butt of the tank just to the inside of my shoulder. I can handle the extra 1.75 inches added to the height of my gun, and I like it being shorter back to front by 3 to 3.5 inches. Nevermind the fact that it balances very nicely at the grip.
I have another gun with no drop and the length is cumbersome for me.
Play with what feels right to you and if anyone tells you your wrong, just laugh at them, because they obviously think they know your comfort better than you do.

[sdramones]

I have been using both a drop and no drop for several years now.

And as stated before, comfort is a big concern. If I'm not comfortable I'm not going to be confident with my marker and hence its going to effect the way I perform on the field.

With a drop, I do agree that your hand has to curve around the tank to hang down comfortably, but it will only stick out of the side if you shoot from the side of your body with your torso facing directly forward. With a drop, I personally shoot with the tank toward the center of my body and my torso slightly angled to compensate. So that the hand positioning on the side of the tank doesn't present a significantly bigger target profile to my opponent.

But when I do use no drop, I can only use a no drop setup which connects my frame to the tank reg. Like how the thor reg or armageddon are setup. Angled stubbydrops feel awkward to me and throws my snapshooting timing off like crazy.

I suggest using what you feel is most comfortable. Try both and see both sides of the argument before accepting one side or another.

[Macky]

Well this was all a lovely personal opinion thread about a handful of people that think that drop forwards are "gay". There was some useful information in there of why a drop might not be considered for a gun setup, but the rest- especially the statement of "drops are gay" is pure bogus.
For those of you that actually followed this thread this far, remember that how you setup your gun is mostly based on your personal preference and comfort. there is a small amount of technical aspects to it, but if you like how something feels and it doesn't hinder your game or cause you to get shot, then use it and to hell with everyone else.

And for those that want to know, I use a drop- a CP flame to be precise- and I love the way it holds my tank for me to put the butt of the tank just to the inside of my shoulder. I can handle the extra 1.75 inches added to the height of my gun, and I like it being shorter back to front by 3 to 3.5 inches. Nevermind the fact that it balances very nicely at the grip.
I have another gun with no drop and the length is cumbersome for me.
Play with what feels right to you and if anyone tells you your wrong, just laugh at them, because they obviously think they know your comfort better than you do.

Hawk is completely right in everyone of his statements, but drops are still gay. It just one of those things that bugs me.

Mark

[House]

Ok, normaly I wouldn't get into a argument like this but here goes.

Like Hawk said, it is up to the person useing the gun. I use a drop, and I never get shot in the elbow. I play my bunket tighter, and if that helps me win, I don't care. Just to say that because I use something on my gun, then that must be gay, is simply crazy. How about growing up a little? O.M.G. you use a 14" barrel, and I use a 12" barrel....14" barrels are gay! See how that sounds. Who cares if someone uses a drop? Are you that person? Can they bend in the same way as you, and vise versa?? So you are saying that I use a drop because I can't play paintball?? I'll play you one on one any time that you are in town. Hell, I'm going to be at the IAO and will play you! I don't care who you are. If you beat me its not because of the drop, it is because you would be better than me. I've been playing for about 7 years. I have shot a lot of people, and been shot a lot of times. One thing is for sure. I've shot a lot more people than have shot me! In the end, that is all that matters.

Grow up people!

House

[shizzle]

i play my bunket tight too house!

it really ends up being preference wether you use a drop or not. most people dont give a no drop setup a real chance because theyre so obsessed with how tight they want to get. if your playing your bunker right a drop wont make any difference.

p.s.- drops are gay 8)

[Macky]

There is no arguement. House I agree with you use what you want. I just do not like drops, so I call them gay not the people who use them.

On a side note I will never grow up it takes too much time. :lol:

Mark

[Bad Dave]

Whether you are shot in the elbow a lot or not is irrelevant, with a drop on your gun your elbow sticks out more making your profile larger, it really is that simple.

Even if they don't shoot your elbow it can act as an indicator to which side of the bunker you are playing ang give your opponents advance notice of you coming out to shoot.

The only people who have a case for drops (and a micro drop at that) are people with short arms. Drops with ASAs and screw in type bottles are cool as long as the bottle neck is behind the grip frame.

It is so simple and it helps you play tight, where else will you see such an improvement in your game for little to no investment?